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QUESTION: How do you see your role or responsibility in the world as one who has completed this spiritual training?
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Sally:
There is no completion of spiritual training, as there is no training. That would imply the use of my self to achieve something, an end result where there is no result, no end to God or love. In my life that means to love wherever I am asked to love by life and God. To truly love enough where there is no compromise or self-consideration, only what is right and true in the situation. A practical example of this uncompromising love is: If you were my partner and you were emotional or demanding, I would give your emotional demands nothing. Because my love is this divine consciousness, it is impossible for me to love emotional unhappiness. Love is cold—not warm. In doing this, beneath your self, your pain, you would have the knowledge that you are being loved, being freed of your self; thereby together, we serve the purpose of existence, which is to become pure in God.
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Jade:
First I wouldn't say my spiritual training is completed. My life is my spiritual training, and so the depersonalizing process goes on. But my responsibility is clearly to be true to what I have been taught and know to be true within. In the first instance, this is to live my life free from negative emotions—in other words not to let that sort of selfishness impose itself on my life or the lives of those around me. In the second instance, it is to serve where I can or where it is asked of me. The challenge is to live the truth of love in the world and not to compromise. This is my purpose. |
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QUESTION: Now that you have "graduated," are you a tantric master in your own right? How are you carrying forth the transmission of the teachings?
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Sally:
No, I am not a tantric master. I am purely a woman who has realized love and continues to go deeper into the knowledge of love as being nothing. Woman is not a master, not a teacher. If she thinks she is, in that alone, she is not. That would be the sexuality in her—the want to exist as something.
Woman in her purest form is still and nonprojective. Only from this place as a reflection of love can I communicate what I have received from this teaching.
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Jade:
Again I wouldn't say I had "graduated." Life moved on, and it was no longer possible to be intimately associated with Barry. No, I am not a tantric master in my own right. A tantric master has a God-given power to awaken and I am an ordinary woman who loves God. Nor am I carrying forth any transmission of the teachings. But there has been much that I have absorbed in my years of exposure to the master, and this I communicate as it arises, particularly to my current partner, in all the circumstances of our life together. |
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QUESTION: Are you in a tantric relationship now? If yes, what have you found to be the difference between your intimate association with a tantric master and your relationship with a tantric partner who is not a master?
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Sally:
There is no tantric partner; there is only the tantric master as the utter realization of love, both in and out of existence. This is the tantric power.
In being with a tantric master, this power of love-the rarest thing on earth—is always present, constant, immediate in the body, transformative in its divine beauty, fundamentally in the making of love.
I am currently in partnership with a man and although we are engaged in living a divine love together, this power, this consciousness is rarely seen in the man due to the ignorance of love. I, through my experience and knowledge of love that have come only from having been with a tantric master—the greatest privilege on earth—endeavor to communicate that which I have received, both in the making of love and our being together.
In this is a great responsibility to love as I endeavor to align him with one love—God, through the love of woman.
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Jade:
Yes, I am in partnership with a man. I wouldn't name it as a tantric relationship, but my endeavor is always to communicate something of the divine love I have known or have the knowledge of within me. This is choiceless on my part because it is that which I love. I am not motivated by the desire to have a personal relationship but only by the endeavor to live the truth of love together, which is always going toward a greater impersonality in both of us. It is the virtue, rightness and profundity, in other words the God, that I love in the man—not his person or personality. It is my joy that my partner manifest more love of God and consciousness within himself. As this is my partner's desire also, in this sense the relationship could be described as tantric.
There is really no comparison between the association with the tantric master and an association with a man who is not a master. One is cosmic man and the other is earth man. The consciousness is entirely different. The master is a realized power who provides a communication of God-consciousness, presence or love at all times. In himself he is nothing, he doesn't exist. So it doesn't matter what he is doing, his presence just communicates something of the divine, which is quite natural. This is a very inspiring energy to be around and gives one a conscious reflection that is always pushing one beyond one's self in some way or another. Away from this reflection, I have to be more responsible. It is up to me to reach into my inner depths and live what has been imparted. |
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